[20:57:39] <@The_Hobbit> ENOUGH SEXUAL INNUNEDO BASED AROUND NICOLE KIDMAN! [20:57:42] <@The_Hobbit> ENOUGH I SAY! [20:57:44] * @Mossaia laughs. [20:57:47] * @Marina giggles happily [20:57:49] <@Charlie> Is there ever enough? [20:57:50] * @jessica cackles [20:57:51] <@Elwood> her head is funnyshaped [20:57:55] <@Marina> Never! Never I say! [20:57:57] <@Elwood> the top part is too big [20:58:06] <@Elwood> which is so sad [20:58:11] <@Charlie> It's the MacGregor guy that gives me the creeps. What a weirdo. [20:58:13] <@Elwood> and, her breasts are a bit small for her figure [20:58:13] * @Charlie ducks. [20:58:21] * @Ananda decks Elwood [20:58:25] <@Elwood> otherwise, she would be.... *fit of drooling* [20:58:28] * @Mossaia snickers. [20:58:31] * @Marina slugs both Charlie and Elwood [20:58:36] <@Mossaia> Nicole Kidman's breasts are small?! [20:58:37] <@The_Hobbit> Otherwise, Elwood? [20:58:39] <@Ananda> in the name of small breasted women! [20:58:42] <@Chakara> go marina! [20:58:47] <@The_Hobbit> No, I agree that she is drool worthy such as it stands [20:58:54] * @Mossaia falls over laughing. [20:58:54] <@Charlie> Oh, so suddenly there's something wrong with a little complaining about females' bodies? [20:58:55] * @Marina blinks. Her breasts are so not small anyway. [20:59:04] <@Elwood> small breasts are nice too! [20:59:04] <@The_Hobbit> They aren't THAT small [20:59:05] * @Ananda agrees with Marina [20:59:09] <@Elwood> hers are just to small for -her- [20:59:11] * @Elwood grins. [20:59:13] <@Marina> Are not. [20:59:13] <@The_Hobbit> Just, for her frame, they are smaller than expected [20:59:16] <@The_Hobbit> Tis all [20:59:17] <@Marina> Are -not-. [20:59:19] <@Ananda> you're full of shit, Elwood. [20:59:20] <@Mossaia> How SO? [20:59:24] * @Elwood goes off to find a nude shot of nicole kidman [20:59:29] <@Mossaia> She's skinny as a rail! She should have NO boobs! [20:59:34] <@The_Hobbit> Mrskin.com is usually a good shot [20:59:36] * @Marina nods at Emma!! [20:59:41] <@The_Hobbit> Hey, wait, Elwood [20:59:45] <@The_Hobbit> If you can find Nude pics of her [20:59:48] <@The_Hobbit> ...... [20:59:49] <@The_Hobbit> HEY! [20:59:56] <@Caer> They can only inject so much silicon, elwood... [20:59:57] *** Quits: Elwood (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [20:59:59] * @The_Hobbit implores Elwood to guide him through cyberspace [21:00:16] <@The_Hobbit> Hey, Carrie [21:00:20] <@Marina> I watched a documentary of the making of Moulin Rouge, and it showed a short clip of the original Moulin Rouge dancers... who were probably at -least- twice the weight of the dancers in the movie. [21:00:23] * @The_Hobbit snaps his GODDAMN fingers [21:00:25] <@The_Hobbit> THAT's what I forgot [21:00:27] <@Caer> Hey, Ben. [21:00:27] * @The_Hobbit swears [21:00:31] <@Mossaia> Yeah. [21:00:38] * @Ananda is not even remotely interested in seeing for herself whether Nicole Kidman's breasts are too small for her body. [21:00:47] * @Arianna blinks [21:00:49] <@Arianna> What? [21:00:50] * @Arianna reads up [21:00:55] <@Marina> "too small for her body"... I don't think there is any such thing anyways!! [21:01:00] * @Caer nods fastly. [21:01:01] * @The_Hobbit sighs [21:01:02] <@Ananda> exactly! [21:01:06] <@Chakara> yah [21:01:07] <@Mossaia> But damn, the dancers are SO good. [21:01:07] *** Joins: Elwood [21:01:09] <@Marina> Hmph. [21:01:11] *** Arianna sets mode: +o Elwood [21:01:12] * @The_Hobbit puts up a shield of ignorance [21:01:13] <@Elwood> hmm [21:01:15] <@Elwood> http://www.dailyadultjoke.com/images/celeb/nicole1.jpg [21:01:17] * @Marina puts on her "dangerous feminist" mask [21:01:22] * @Mossaia wants to learn how to tango! [21:01:23] <@Marina> Oh god. [21:01:25] * @Ananda smacks elwood again [21:01:29] * @Mossaia grins at Marina. [21:01:36] <@Marina> Emma: talk to Scott sometime. [21:01:38] <@The_Hobbit> Hmmm, european version of that movie, Elwood [21:01:40] <@Mossaia> Eh? [21:01:41] * @Caer joins in the smacking. [21:01:50] <@Marina> A smacking, a smacking! [21:01:51] <@Elwood> The_Hobbit: which movie? [21:01:58] <@The_Hobbit> Eyes Wide Shut [21:02:04] <@The_Hobbit> No full frontal in the american version [21:02:05] * @Elwood nods [21:02:09] * @Elwood nods [21:02:11] * @Ananda viciously defends women's right to normal sized chests! [21:02:18] <@jessica> she's flat! [21:02:20] <@jessica> well, not flat [21:02:21] <@jessica> but [21:02:23] <@jessica> not large [21:02:40] * @jessica doesnt want to be attacked [21:02:40] <@Ananda> WHO THE FUCK CARES? [21:02:43] <@jessica> I dooonnt [21:02:46] <@Marina> Good point Robyn. [21:02:48] * @Marina applauds. [21:03:07] * @Ananda bows [21:03:07] <@Elwood> http://home.wanadoo.nl/roselove/image/nicole-kidman/nicole-kidman6.jpg [21:03:09] * @Mossaia would go look, but decides to pretend she is above all this in any case. [21:03:10] <@The_Hobbit> We're just talking [21:03:11] <@The_Hobbit> Relax ladies [21:03:14] <@Elwood> that picture demonstrates her too-large forehead [21:03:18] * @Marina would go look but her mom is in the room...... [21:03:18] <@Elwood> (shows no breasts!) [21:03:22] <@The_Hobbit> Damn Elwood, I'm impressed [21:03:26] <@Mossaia> Shut up about foreheads. :) [21:03:27] <@jessica> and I dont mean to be all "I have a preference and the rest suck" but i kinda prefer small chests. [21:03:30] <@Ananda> No you are NOT just talking, you're like bringing up pictures and shit! [21:03:30] <@The_Hobbit> In a purely scavenger sense [21:03:36] * @Mossaia stands up for foreheaded people. [21:03:38] <@Ananda> That is so not cool I can't even describe it! [21:03:47] * @The_Hobbit sighs loudly [21:03:48] * @Marina stands up with Emma [21:03:58] *** Marina changes topic to 'Don't diss our bodies, please' [21:03:58] <@Elwood> you females are silly [21:04:00] * @Mossaia goes back to the medieval times, dammit. :) [21:04:14] * @Marina gives Elwood a smack for that one too [21:04:24] * @Caer gives Elwood a well-proportioned female eyebrow. [21:04:26] <@Marina> You try being oppressed for several centuries and see how you like it, eh? [21:04:32] <@Elwood> smaller breasts are nice, because they hold their shape well without supprt [21:04:51] <@Marina> Why. Does. It. Matter? [21:04:52] <@Ananda> What gives you the right to judge our bodies? [21:04:58] * @The_Hobbit hides behind Elwood [21:05:01] * @jessica points to the topic [21:05:01] <@Elwood> Marina: if you've been repressed for even -one- century, I probably don't want to look at you ;) [21:05:08] * @jessica backs marina up [21:05:08] <@Ananda> Because you see them? Congradulations! Welcome to the world! [21:05:10] <@Mossaia> Much as I would love to argue about Nicole Kidman's breasts some more, I think I'll go watch The It Factor instead. [21:05:11] * @Elwood has a 100+ year-old grandmother, and she isn't pretty. [21:05:26] <@Marina> I identify with all womenkind! [21:05:28] * @Ananda screechs [21:05:31] <@Elwood> I don't think it has anything to do with repression, though. [21:05:36] * @The_Hobbit is offically scared [21:05:37] *** Marina changes topic to 'Don't diss our bodies, please. (Frothing feminists alert.)' [21:05:37] *** Marina: you're not channel operator [21:05:52] <@Ananda> She's over 100, and you say she 'isn't pretty;? oh my god. [21:05:53] <@Marina> Oh really, Elwood? [21:06:03] <@Mossaia> And before I leave, yes, guys making stupid comments sucks, but we do the same thing sometimes, so..yeah. [21:06:06] <@jessica> that's... disgusting. [21:06:20] <@Mossaia> Bye, everybody. [21:06:24] <@Marina> Emma: I don't. Not to this degree. And never beyond statin a preference. [21:06:25] <@Ananda> bye Emma! [21:06:26] <@jessica> why would you say that about your own grandmother?! [21:06:26] <@The_Hobbit> Bye, Emma [21:06:29] <@Elwood> she moved to Utah, today. [21:06:30] <@Mossaia> Good, Marina. [21:06:32] <@Elwood> with her son [21:06:33] <@The_Hobbit> Goddamn it, Elwood, your killing us [21:06:37] <@Marina> Whyyyyyyyyyy does it matter so much to you Elwood? [21:06:40] *** Quits: Mossaia (Quit: I find myself in the strangest places) [21:06:48] <@Elwood> near where the Hole In The Wall gang had their hideout, actually. [21:06:57] <@Elwood> Why does what matter? [21:07:01] <@Elwood> Breasts? bodies? [21:07:02] <@Elwood> foreheads? [21:07:10] <@Elwood> aesthetics, my dear. [21:07:22] <@Elwood> I like my life to be tastefully decorated. [21:07:23] <@Marina> I am not a painting. [21:07:32] <@Marina> I am not furniture. [21:07:39] <@Marina> I am not wallpaper. [21:07:53] * @Elwood blinks. [21:07:59] <@Elwood> Did I try to hang you on the wall? [21:07:59] <@The_Hobbit> Elwood, just shut up [21:07:59] <@Ananda> right! [21:08:04] <@The_Hobbit> For your own good [21:08:08] <@Marina> Yes, actually, Elwood, you did. [21:08:10] <@Ananda> DEcorated! [21:08:16] * @Ananda gags [21:08:33] <@Ananda> Tastefully decorated is not a woman. [21:08:45] <@Ananda> Women aren't decoration! [21:08:55] * @Marina mutters "Hell fucking yeah." [21:09:06] <@Elwood> They can make wonderful companions, too. [21:09:13] <@Ananda> fuck you, elwood. [21:09:16] <@Marina> If they're not frothing mad at you. [21:09:19] <@The_Hobbit> All right! [21:09:22] <@The_Hobbit> FUCKING RELAX! [21:09:22] * @jessica snorts [21:09:30] <@Marina> Ben, this is actually important... [21:09:32] * @Chakara hmms [21:09:38] <@The_Hobbit> I know it is, Marina [21:09:43] <@The_Hobbit> But comments like "fuck you, Elwood" [21:09:43] <@Marina> One of the few things I can think of worth getting really mad about [21:09:48] <@The_Hobbit> Isn't gonna get us anywhere [21:09:59] <@The_Hobbit> Let's talk about it like thinking, feeling, indivduals, eh? [21:10:07] <@Marina> Is talking about the size of someone's breasts going to get us anywhere? [21:10:11] <@Caer> Elwood, dear, I hope you evolve sometime soon. [21:10:21] * @Marina cracks up at Carrie and hugs her! [21:10:26] <@Ananda> thank you, Marina, I'm getting incoherent. [21:10:29] * @The_Hobbit sighs [21:10:32] <@The_Hobbit> I give up [21:10:33] * @Charlie is now thoughoughly disgusted with everyone who's spoken in the last five minutes. [21:10:37] <@The_Hobbit> Rip him a new one [21:10:38] * @Ananda high fives Caer [21:10:39] <@The_Hobbit> I don't care... [21:10:46] * @The_Hobbit agrees with Charlie [21:10:53] * @jessica laughs and high fives carrie too [21:10:58] <@Charlie> Go have fun in #gender or something. #sexism, maybe. [21:11:29] * @Marina wishes she could reverse men and women's cultural roles for one day. [21:11:40] <@Ananda> why is that every time I actually say what I think, somebody gets disgusted? [21:11:58] *** Charlie changes topic to 'Don't diss us, please.' [21:11:59] * @Arianna wishes she could too. [21:12:02] <@The_Hobbit> Cause, you say it in poor taste and timing [21:12:03] <@Charlie> The truth does that. [21:12:12] *** Joins: away [21:12:13] *** Enigma sets mode: +o away [21:12:14] *** Arianna sets mode: +o away [21:12:21] * @Marina bites her knuckles and tries to think. [21:12:24] *** away is now known as blink [21:12:38] * @Ananda blinks [21:12:41] <@Ananda> woah... [21:12:48] <@Charlie> Hm? [21:12:58] <@Marina> Ok. It is a pure fact of life that I, and most if not all women get treated as objects sometimes. And when it happens right in front of me, I object. As loudly as I have to. [21:13:01] *** Silverspringafk is now known as Silverspring [21:13:15] <@Ananda> My opinions are strong, but that shouldn't make them disgusting. [21:13:36] * @blink opens the door for marina. [21:13:37] <@Charlie> Ananda: I'm not disgusted at your opinions. [21:14:18] <@The_Hobbit> I'm not disgusted, Ananda. Just learn how to put them more properly [21:14:40] <@Marina> There is a time and place for proper. [21:14:40] * @Ananda throws up her hands [21:14:49] <@Arianna> Agreed! [21:14:53] <@Marina> And when properness Doesn't Get Through, you have to stop being proper. [21:14:57] <@Ananda> exactly, Marina. [21:15:03] <@The_Hobbit> Marina, we are all...reletively mature [21:15:07] <@The_Hobbit> And we all deserve respect [21:15:07] <@Marina> And if you will read up a bit, you may notice that we -were- being proper. Until it didn't work anymore. [21:15:12] <@blink> mmm, board with a nail in it [21:15:24] <@The_Hobbit> Then, LET IT BE! [21:15:28] <@Arianna> Why? [21:15:30] <@The_Hobbit> Flame wars aren't gonna do anything [21:15:32] <@Marina> I reserve the right to yell and bitch when there is no other option left. [21:15:33] <@Arianna> And be trampled on? [21:15:36] <@Marina> Wanna bet, Ben? [21:15:36] * @blink wonders what started this. [21:15:41] <@Charlie> This is a rather complex issue, and I think truly definitive statements beyond What Everyone Agrees on have tended to be wrong since the sixties. I don't know. The other night Marina commented that she was mildly pleased at being whistled at -- what she joking? Maybe. Wsa it a completely different context? I'll bet. But body image &c is a confusing thing. Let's settle down and talk. [21:15:47] <@Ananda> Right, Marina! [21:15:55] <@Marina> (blink, I'll email you the log later if you want) [21:16:05] * @blink nods at marina. [21:16:10] <@blink> ys, pls [21:16:18] <@Charlie> Marina: I respect that right. However, I think it's often misused by others. [21:16:25] <@Charlie> Just like voilence. [21:16:38] <@Marina> Being whistled at by a stranger and having Womankind treated as objects are somewhat different for me... [21:16:43] * @Marina nods at Charlie. [21:16:47] <@Marina> Anything can be misused... [21:17:02] <@Charlie> Marina: no kidding. I'm just saying it's awfully confusing in many ways. [21:17:06] *** Joins: Ryland [21:17:13] *** Chakara sets mode: +o Ryland [21:17:15] *** Arianna sets mode: +o Ryland [21:17:16] <@Chakara> Ryland! [21:17:17] <@Marina> Well yeah. [21:17:21] <@Silverspring> its a smelly ryland! [21:17:27] <@Charlie> But was The_Hobbit whisting or treating-as-an-object? [21:17:31] <@Charlie> Ryland. [21:17:54] *** Joins: Psyche [21:17:55] *** Quits: Lazarus-Drake (Quit: BRB reboot) [21:18:02] *** jessica sets mode: +o Psyche [21:18:05] *** Quits: The_Hobbit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [21:18:06] <@Marina> Ben wasn't saying I looked good. Ben-- and actually it wasn't Ben, it was Elwood-- was talking about women as decoration. [21:18:09] <@Ryland> it's an ugly girl! [21:18:11] *** Joins: Egads [21:18:19] *** blink sets mode: +o Egads [21:18:31] *** Egads is now known as The_Hobbit [21:18:37] * @blink notes that he has enver whistled at a girl. [21:18:45] <@Marina> Oo. Um. Bad comment to make right now, Ryland... [21:18:58] * @The_Hobbit treats women with the respect they deserve, doesn't base it on gender [21:19:00] <@Elwood> Ryland: they're all mad at me. [21:19:03] <@The_Hobbit> But, I find some women attractive [21:19:07] <@The_Hobbit> And some women not [21:19:10] * @Marina nods [21:19:12] <@The_Hobbit> Is that horrible? [21:19:25] <@Marina> Talking about -the proper size of breasts- is something completely different. [21:19:37] <@blink> no such thing, proper size of breasts :P [21:19:42] <@Charlie> Marina: ah, right. (I was gone for some of that.) I often think of women as decoration -- but, I think, no more than men. I think bodies are remarkably artful. I see nothing wrong with making asthetic judgements about people -- but I try not to, because it leads to moral and personal judgements about people. [21:19:47] *** Joins: Zaphod [21:19:47] <@Enigma> He's here. This is bad. [21:19:54] *** Silverspring sets mode: +o Zaphod [21:19:56] <@Elwood> What about the proper size of breasts for a specific woman? Specifically, a specific woman who portrays herself as a sex idol? [21:19:57] <@blink> there's too big, everything else is good [21:20:07] <@Ryland> the coment was to the one who called me smelly [21:20:33] *** The_Hobbit changes topic to 'Wow, an intelligent conversation. what a SHOCKER!' [21:20:48] <@jessica> we know, ryland [21:20:51] <@Charlie> If it's wrong to talk about proper size of breats, is it wrong to talk about Brad Pitt's ears being so small? Sort of. They 'just' have different implications. [21:20:53] <@jessica> but considering the topic [21:21:02] <@jessica> it's still... not the best thing to say just at this time. [21:21:19] <@Marina> Charlie: what was happening, from my point of view anyway, was that Elwood was said Nicole Kidman's breasts were "too small for her frame", implying that there is a proper size for all breasts. Not just a preference. [21:21:20] * @Ananda is taking off.... [21:21:21] <@Ryland> tell me that, befor I say something like that next time, eh? I just got here, [21:21:26] <@Chakara> he wasn't here for that though [21:21:26] * @Marina frowns and thinks some more [21:21:34] <@Ananda> (not because the conversation got boring, because another calls...) [21:21:37] * @Marina hugs Robyn. Good talking with you, eh? :) [21:21:51] * @Ananda hugs everybody [21:22:00] * @Elwood erps [21:22:02] * @The_Hobbit hugs [21:22:02] * @Caer hugs Ryland tightly [21:22:02] <@Ananda> (you too, Marina!) [21:22:03] <@Charlie> Marina: I don't know. I agree that it was offensive, but I think that 'for her frame' implies at least a bit of thought. [21:22:06] <@Marina> Elwood: there is no such thing as a proper size of breasts, no matter who you're talking about. [21:22:07] <@blink> nicole does not have too small breasts :P [21:22:09] <@Elwood> my lover calls, and starts speaking chinese at me. [21:22:16] * @Elwood does not know chinese. [21:22:23] * @Caer attaches herself to ryland's shoe, so I'll end up in Alberta when he leaves. [21:22:27] *** Quits: Ananda (Quit: ) [21:22:33] <@Charlie> Marina: is there such a thing as proper size for hands? If you're missing one, is it right to want a robotic one? [21:22:53] <@Arianna> Ooo! [21:22:58] * @Arianna realizes this applies to being transsexual to. [21:23:02] <@Arianna> s/to/too/ [21:23:06] * @blink blinks at ari. [21:23:09] <@The_Hobbit> If I had a robot hand, could I be a hand borg? [21:23:10] <@Marina> I think it was the attitude more than the actual words that made me personally mad. [21:23:20] <@Marina> Of course it does, Ari, it's about gender. [21:23:25] <@Elwood> Marina: the attitude was -flippant- [21:23:29] <@Elwood> Marina: not sexist [21:23:37] <@Charlie> Marina: that's understandable. I hope I'm not trying to philosophize your indignation out from under you. [21:23:40] <@Marina> yes, well, flippant towards something that happens to really mean a lot. [21:23:45] <@blink> ben: just be careful what you do with that hand, after all, do you want your bits to be assimilated? [21:24:03] <@Charlie> But people are flippant about politics and anthrax too, right? Is that just as bad? [21:24:17] <@Ryland> I know nothing about nicole kidmans brests, so I would not know, and I can see how one might have to LARGE of brests, for I have seen people with such things as heads, that are of a size that it makes you think it is to large, and I have seen hands that seemed large, but what would drive someone to the point, that they felt they had to make a coment about such a thing as a persons brests being to small! too small for what? [21:24:21] <@The_Hobbit> Nah, I wouldn't want a colony of naughty bits [21:24:39] <@Marina> I do think it's fine to appriciate people's bodies, and even to critisize people's bodies if they put themselves out there like that. But... if I went up and reread the entire conversation, I could point at what attitudes exactly made me mad. [21:24:44] <@Charlie> Ryland: asthetics. I'm not making this up. [21:24:52] <@Elwood> Marina: I can't respect that. I respect all of the women in my life, speak primarily with females. I am flippant, joking about physical matters. My body, other bodies. [21:24:53] * @Silverspring is just tired of people making judgments on people they dont know on what shapes there body parts are in [21:25:07] *** blink is now known as after_these_messages [21:25:21] <@Marina> Elwood: I think part of it is that a lot of women have issues with people thinking their own breasts are "too small" [21:25:29] * @Elwood is bemused by the power-feminist reaction. [21:25:36] <@Charlie> Silverspring: I think there was an argument that if you're an actor like that you have to expect a certain amount of people looking at your body. [21:25:45] * @Silverspring nods at marina [21:25:48] * @Marina grins at Elwood... hang out in here a bit more, you haven't even run into the really rabid people yet [21:25:48] <@Elwood> Marina: breasts are nice! I really don't care about the size. [21:26:03] <@Marina> Contrary to waht you were saying earlier. [21:26:18] <@Elwood> Nicole Kidman's breasts could be a bit larger. [21:26:27] <@Marina> So could yours. [21:26:28] * @Elwood shrugs. [21:26:35] * @jessica rolls her eyes at elwood [21:26:38] <@Elwood> I would pop out if they were any larger. [21:26:39] * @Elwood grins. [21:26:46] <@jessica> no, really, we love it when you contradict yourself. [21:26:51] <@Silverspring> charlie: thats so sick it makes me wanna vomit. it doesnt have to be that way. we are in contral of the world. we can change this body image shit. [21:26:54] <@jessica> what do you really mean! [21:26:58] <@The_Hobbit> Preferentially speaking, I like her breasts. But, in comparsion with women her size, on the average, they are small. [21:26:59] <@The_Hobbit> That's all [21:27:01] * @Marina nods at Heather [21:27:12] <@Charlie> Silverspring: mmm. [21:27:38] <@Ryland> but what are they to small for? [21:27:42] <@Ryland> for your tast? [21:27:48] <@The_Hobbit> No, on average [21:27:57] <@The_Hobbit> Me, I like small breats. But that's a matter of preference [21:28:00] <@Ryland> so your saying she is not average? [21:28:05] <@The_Hobbit> Uh, It's not a matter of fact [21:28:07] <@The_Hobbit> Yes, Ryland, that's it [21:28:40] <@Marina> Saying her breasts are "too small" implies they should be another size. [21:29:02] * @The_Hobbit nods [21:29:15] <@Ryland> how do you know they are to small? [21:29:29] <@Silverspring> wow! that does SO MUCH for peoples self image. [21:29:31] * @Silverspring coughs [21:29:34] <@Elwood> Ryland: http://home.wanadoo.nl/roselove/image/nicole-kidman/nicole-kidman7.jpg [21:29:44] <@The_Hobbit> It's a matter of opinion, Heather. [21:29:50] <@Marina> ok, for one thing, those are SO not small! [21:29:54] <@The_Hobbit> We ARE entitled to our opinions [21:30:07] <@The_Hobbit> No, they aren't, but Nicole Kidman isn't a small women [21:30:07] <@Marina> But you were phrasing your opinions as fact. [21:30:20] <@The_Hobbit> And, on average, women that body size have larger breasts, that's all [21:30:21] <@Elwood> She's too tall for my tastes. [21:30:25] <@Ryland> excuse me! [21:30:32] <@Silverspring> ben: your turning woman into objects. [21:30:35] <@Marina> Ok, um, just stop it??? [21:30:39] * @Ryland quickly closes the window [21:30:43] * @The_Hobbit sighs [21:30:57] <@The_Hobbit> I'm just speaking from a purely objective viewpoint [21:31:04] <@The_Hobbit> I don't care, I'm just saying that's what Elwood might have meant [21:31:08] <@Charlie> Hmmm. I think people have a fairly limited responsibility to one anothers' self-image until things get violent. (Women are sex objects. So are men. I'm certainly one. The trick is to care about the other stuff first.) [21:31:08] <@The_Hobbit> And, it's not offensive [21:31:16] * @after_these_messages feels evil and ponders making calls on woman.brest.size [21:31:19] <@The_Hobbit> It's not like i'm saying "Her breasts are too small" [21:31:20] <@Chakara> actually, ben isn't. he said she's smaller than average for her size. not -too- small [21:31:20] * @Marina yells FUCK really loud and decides not to get involved anymore [21:31:23] <@Ryland> first of all, what busness is it of yours, how big someone else brests are? [21:31:46] <@The_Hobbit> It isn't, Ryland [21:31:50] <@Elwood> Is it really a bad thing to talk about the appearance of other people? [21:31:56] * @Silverspring smacks her hand agenst her head and walks away [21:31:58] <@The_Hobbit> I'm just pondering [21:32:05] <@Elwood> I mean, my female friends talk to me about how males look. [21:32:10] <@Charlie> #quiet [21:32:12] <@Platypus> woah, stuff.. [21:32:24] * @after_these_messages finds it interesting that the only ones really arguing anymore are male. [21:32:25] <@Marina> talking is fine, judging bugs me. [21:32:33] <@Marina> we're all frustrated :P [21:32:34] <@The_Hobbit> I wasan't judging [21:32:36] <@Ryland> and what kind of personle expearnce do you have with nicole kidmon, that makes you think that there is anything wrong with her? or are you going by this one photo? (I might note that a photo of someone doing that, is going to make them look smaller in the regen of the bust) [21:32:37] <@Elwood> I am -not- judging Nicole Kidman. [21:32:38] <@The_Hobbit> I'd just like to get that out [21:32:39] <@Elwood> Or anybody else [21:32:40] *** after_these_messages is now known as blink [21:32:44] <@Charlie> I hear much more image-damaging talk from the females I know than the males ... I wish I had a good theory about that. [21:32:55] * @Psyche has been watching for some time and is prompted to say something when the male comment comes up. [21:32:59] <@Elwood> I will -never never never- judge a person based on their body [21:33:13] <@Psyche> Hello. I'm female. I think it's fine to say that Nicole Kidman's breasts are small. [21:33:24] * @blink judges someone's body on their body. [21:33:25] <@Elwood> I like to look at women, though! I do! I like the way women look! [21:33:29] <@Charlie> #quiet [21:33:42] * @blink judges a person on who they are. [21:34:00] * @blink doesn't think there's anything wrong with it. [21:34:18] <@Elwood> I don't think I'm opressing anybody [21:34:30] <@The_Hobbit> Ahhh, kids, such anger. I think I'll leave you all to your devices [21:34:47] <@blink> I believe that a person is what they are, and any set of standards is only that, standards. and standards are only someone elses ideal, not mine [21:34:52] <@Ryland> I don't think that the size that they are, degrades at all from how atrative, she is, and they are not too small either, to fufill the perpose that they were made for [21:34:54] <@Elwood> Also, bigger != better with breasts [21:35:06] <@Elwood> but, Kidman's are kind of small. [21:35:07] * @Elwood shrugs [21:35:21] <@Elwood> breasts smaller than hers look good on other women, though [21:35:26] <@Elwood> (maybe it's how you wear them) [21:35:28] * @Elwood grins [21:35:29] <@Charlie>NBTSWikiWiki | Recent Changes Edited 2 times, last edited on January 28, 2002 by toodamnperky@nbtsc.org. © 2000 NBTSC Webmasters |
