Metaphore Whores Two Log1

16:05 --- candy_angel [Kat@Courtney's House] has joined #nbtsc 16:05 <@Aredridel> 'eya 16:05 <@Jei> werd! 16:05 <@candy_angel> yo yo yo!! 16:06 * Mossaia growls. God DAMN it...my back hurts again. 16:06 <@Aredridel> Aww. 16:07 * candy_angel grrrs at the metaphore whores 2 page 16:07 * candy_angel is astonishingly pissed off 16:07 <@Aredridel> What are you tyhinking about it, candy_angel? 16:09 <@candy_angel> i want it to be put back! i think it's stupid that just because a few people were offended it was taken down. it really really pisses me off. if it bothers you, don't fucking look at it!!!! 16:09 <@moth> kat?? 16:09 <@Aredridel> Wow. 16:09 <@candy_angel> naomi!! you need to come over! 16:09 <@moth> i fucking CAN'T 16:09 <@Aredridel> Problem is: what about, say "slut"? would you want your name next to that? 16:10 <@Aredridel> 'ow about "seductive"? Robyn takes offense at that. 16:10 <@candy_angel> but slut wasn't on there. and no one would put it on there. 16:10 <@Aredridel> Oh? 16:10 <@Aredridel> Seductive was, though. 16:10 <@candy_angel> so? 16:10 <@Aredridel> So it's hurtful. 16:10 <@Aredridel> Rather. 16:10 <@Aredridel> That page has a lot of potential to change how people are seen. 16:11 <@Aredridel> More than metaphor whores, even. 16:11 <@FoolsRun> How about a seductive slut? Then you've offended everyone. Everyone is offended, everyone is equal. 16:11 <@Aredridel> Yeah, and that sucks. 16:11 <@FoolsRun> But at least everyone's on the same ground <grin> 16:11 <@Aredridel> might as well have everyone equal and not have it suck. 16:11 <@candy_angel> someone could put that on the original metaphore whores page tho', and no one is going to object. why should it be different for this? 16:11 <@FoolsRun> Point./ 16:11 <@Aredridel> You know what? I would object. 16:12 <@Aredridel> it's just less hurtful because you have to look for that person first. 16:13 <@candy_angel> someone put stuff on my metaphore whores thing that i didn't appreciate, but i didn't take it down or object, because they HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY WHAT THEY THINK. 16:13 <@Aredridel> Yes. 16:13 <@Aredridel> However, that doesn't make saying it right. 16:13 <@Aredridel> Also, it's ~anonymous. 16:14 <@candy_angel> so is the Two page 16:14 <@Aredridel> and if you ask me, having a right to say something also means owning up to it and damn well signing it. 16:14 <@Aredridel> if it's anonymous... *poof*. Delete away. 16:14 <@candy_angel> no one signs the first page 16:14 <@Aredridel> Right. 16:14 <@Aredridel> So edit away. 16:15 <@candy_angel> i don't agree. 16:15 <@Nymphaway> what's the url? 16:15 <@Aredridel> And you know what? I don't like the first page either. It's just less directly harmful. 16:15 <@candy_angel> if it bothers you that much, you don't have to look at it 16:15 * candy_angel wishes people would understand that 16:15 <@Nymphaway> but what be the point of putting it up....? 16:16 * Aredridel slaps his forhead. 16:16 <@Aredridel> You just don't get it. 16:16 <@Aredridel> It's not whether I see it or not that matters. 16:16 <@candy_angel> neither do you 16:16 * Aredridel sighs heavily. 16:16 <@Nymphaway> Oh dear 16:16 * candy_angel sits and glares 16:16 * candy_angel doesn't like being pissed off 16:16 * Aredridel glares right back, trying to drive his point home. 16:17 <@Aredridel> It's being associated with things that you don't want to be associated with. 16:17 <@Aredridel> if the page said "I associate ___ with ___, ___ and ___ So-and-so", I'd dig it. 16:17 <@Aredridel> It doesn't. 16:18 <@Aredridel> Because as it is now, it's the associations that are prime, not the fact that _____ thinks they are. 16:18 <@candy_angel> why do the associations bother you, tho? 16:18 <@Aredridel> Some don't. 16:18 <@Aredridel> Some do. 16:18 <@Aredridel> Really, isn't it better to not box people in? 16:19 <@Aredridel> We make up these grand stereotypes for people. 16:19 <@Aredridel> It's scary. 16:19 <@Aredridel> I, personally, have been lucky. 16:19 <@Aredridel> My "box" matches me pretty well. 16:20 <@Aredridel> I've spent a lot of time trying to make myself appear how I am, tohugh. 16:20 <@candy_angel> but why do you feel it 'boxes' you? 16:20 <@Aredridel> There's other people who aren't so lucky. 16:20 <@Aredridel> And when they try to show some part of them that doesn't fit the box Rejection. 16:20 <@Aredridel> it hurts. Portentially a lot. 16:20 <@Aredridel> How about this? You 16:21 <@Aredridel> you're Kat, right? 16:21 * candy_angel nods 16:21 <@Aredridel> 'ow's this. 16:21 <@Aredridel> "Sexy, cool, cute, flirty"? 16:21 <@Aredridel> is that you? 16:22 <@candy_angel> hm. at times. i'd take it as a compliment if someone thought that. 16:22 <@Aredridel> That's what most of camp thinks of if you say "Kat". They think of that, and all the little memories that support that. That's what they remember. 16:22 <@Aredridel> However, that's all they think of you is the problem (or at least largely so closer friends are the exception, I hope) 16:23 <@Aredridel> It'd help to expand the box, yes. 16:23 <@Aredridel> Or if you ask me, lose it alltogether. 16:23 <@candy_angel> i don't see that as a box tho 16:23 <@Aredridel> "Sexy, cool, cute, flirty, weak". 16:24 <@candy_angel> that's someone's opinion of me. they have a right to that, and it doesn't bother me 16:24 <@Aredridel> have you ever seen that one? not written, but I've defended you a couple times against it. 16:24 <@Aredridel> Mmm. 16:24 <@Aredridel> Yeah... but it spreads. 16:24 * Aredridel shivers. 16:24 <@candy_angel> thank you. 16:24 * Aredridel smiles. 16:24 <@Aredridel> You're welcome. 16:24 <@Aredridel> I just really wouldn't want things posted. 16:25 <@candy_angel> people will talk. people will gossip. i learned that last year, and at first it was hard, but i learned to not care so much what people thought 16:25 <@Aredridel> When I meet someoneor, hell, just get to know them better, I don't what that page (nor people's ideas of me, really!) to be what they think of me. 16:25 <@Aredridel> I want to be taken for who I am. 16:25 * Aredridel nods. 16:25 <@Aredridel> You know something? 16:25 <@Aredridel> People don't gossip about me. Not very much at all. 16:26 --- Sita-Hana [~Christy at berlioz.augustana.ab.ca] has joined #nbtsc 16:26 --- mode/#nbtsc [+o Sita-Hana ] by ChanServ 16:26 * Aredridel tips his hat to Sita-Hana. 16:26 * Sita-Hana curtseys. 16:26 <@candy_angel> is that a good or bad thing? 16:26 <@Aredridel> Good. 16:26 --- candy_angel changed the topic of #nbtsc to: metaphore whores 2 debate 16:27 <@Aredridel> When I meet someone, I rarely get "oh, you're ______". 16:27 <@Aredridel> Instead, I tend to have a kick-ass conversation and really get to know them, and, I think, them to know me. 16:27 * candy_angel has to run 16:27 <@Aredridel> I see it in reverse, too. 16:27 <@candy_angel> bbl 16:27 <@Aredridel> Aye... damn. this is a good conversation. 16:27 <@Aredridel> 'kay. 16:27 <@candy_angel> i know :/ 16:27 * candy_angel is going to go get naomi 16:27 <@candy_angel> later! 16:27 --- candy_angel [Kat@Courtney's House] has quit IRC 16:28 <@moth> i'll be ready. 16:28 * Aredridel smiles and puts the conversation on hold. 16:29 * moth smiles 16:30 --- moth [moth@Moth's House] has quit IRC 16:30 * Aredridel posts the log to Wiki