yo so. mmkay. i'm UnDecideD. on the topic of going back to camp. on the one hand. it is very disruptive to the flow of my life. it means i meet a whole bunch of kickass people who i'll miss for the rest of my life. and it costs lots. ont he other hand. camp kicks fucking ass. it's a tough debate in my head. also, i have to stop going eventually. i just do. so when will that be? this year? next? i think everybody has this debate in their head at least once. what are your reasons for, and what are your reasons against? - cory ... I have been thinking about this one a lot lately, and i hope i can say it clearly in the 10 mintues i have left. I have clear reasons for not making it to camp: i wont have the money and i'll be somewhere in Europe through most of it. but... i dont know.. I love camp dont get me wrong, it changed my life and i will owe it a debt forever for that. Ever. Always. I am who i am because i showed up the summer i was 17. I felt a little disillusioned last year because im so much older. no thats not right.. its that i want something else out of camp. I feel bad for showing up wanting this intense emotional bonding connecting community *thing*, when camp should be a fun inspiring place for unschooling teenagers to get together. Like if we want a deep emotional heart attack we can all go over there and have one, but to want one and create one in front of a bunch of kids who would like to have some fun and enjoy self education seems selfish... Maybe im just justfing my own means for not making it... I fear the older people (shit, yikes, thats us!) sort of ... taking over camp you know? The younger generation have a right to be leaders, take on the spot light, create traditions, bring ideas and concepts into focus. The deepest most wonderful thing i learned about camp, is that it works outside of camp. Take 4 or 6 or 14 camper/unschoolers/tribers, give them some hot green tea and a few card games and it's like you never left. I will miss camp, the whole group, the bus ride, last night, running around, the hot sun.... but the people, the power and love, remains and is right under the surface.... love
-Dawn
reasons to go back to camp another year:
reasons not to go another year:
so basically when it comes round to registration time im going to look at this and use it to help me decide. mmmkay? (that, or i'll just go anyway, 'cz y'all rule too much.) - cory Yeah, sure. There are way more reasons for me not to go to camp again than there are reasons to go, but the things on my 'reasons to go' list are so much better than the ones on my 'not to go' list. I mean, yeah, camp crushes/ flings/ colds suck, but doesn't the whole getting to see a bunch of kick-ass people again, getting to live almost drowned in hugs for a week, getting to talk to awesome people, etc... doesn't that outweigh the colds, crushes, and flings (oh yeah- and the money)???? For me, it totally does, so there's no debate as to whether I'm going to camp next year. (and cory- you'd better come back, 'cause I hardly got to talk to you at all this year. thbpt) -JessicaSkater hey cory, great idea for a page... i've been trying to decide whether to go to 1 session or 2 next year... anyway, i want to say that for me, missing people is not a bad thing. it reminds me that i can feel, that i can love this much, that there are people that love me that much, that i do have a place where i can feel absolutely at home. for me, i'd rather be miserable missing the greatest friends in the world than just plodding along through a good, but not fantastic, life. good idea for a page Cory! well i totally undertstand where some of you are coming from about whether you should go back to camp or not. I had a lot of hard emotional times at camp and it was devastating for me to leave the friends i'd made (especially one person in particular who i had so many feelings for and love so much) and go home knowing that i wouldn't see them again for at least a year or maybe never. Camp definately left my emotions in a whirl. And certian relationships i have with people from nbtsc left me confused and sad, yet somehow elated. Anyway, in spite of having a hard time after returning from camp this year, i am going back because i think that i learned so much from what i went through, and even though i had hard times camp was still the best week of my entire life. For years i have had this discontentment- i have wanted friendships and experiences like the ones i found at camp. And finally i went to camp and found what i'd been searching for: other teenagers who understand me and will accept me for who i am even if i like country music and don't wear the latest trends. so i'll be at camp next year, for sure! ~nell oh wait- i'm still gonna list my reasons for why i want to go back and reasons why i wouldn't want to go back- cuz i have both kinds of reasons, even though the reasons to go back definately overpower the reasons not to go back. -Nell so here's my lists: Reasons to go back to camp next year:
Reasons not to go back to camp next year:
well those are my reasons, y'all...but i am going back to camp next year, as long as I'm able to afford it. ~Nell reasons to go back to camp; people redefining...well, everything learning stuff feeling unafraid reasons not to go back; money problems depression loneliness feeling out of place not wanting to hang on anybody love, Kat/Kate Reasons To Go: * Contribute to other people having experiences as great as I've had. * Share new talents and joys with old and new friends * See how people and their hair has changed * See what the new crop of campers is like * New writing subjects for wiki wiki * Won't feel like you've missed out * Jumping point for other travel * Get your hair dyed, maybe for free! * Learn how to do cool things * See a lot of really talented people perform. * Laugh a lot * Feel loved. Reasons Not To Go: * Guilt afterwards about not talking to people you should have * Unrequited crushes suck. * Radical honesty and power shuffles are scary and emotionally rollercoastering. * You might be missing concerts, girls, money, fun, and/or friends at home or somewhere else. * Little to no candy for a week or more. * It really is expensive. * You really do miss people. * It will get you obsessed with your memories for at least a month afterwards. * Post Camp Depression * You have issues with some of the people there or some of the things about it, issues that will probably never be resolved. * So and so annoys you. * It interrupts your life and becomes the focus of the entire year, while you might rather focus on a job or a talent or a girl or a boi. -----------Reasons to go back:
Reasons not to go back:
those are my general reasons. If I went back, it would be personally because:
~Rosie My reasons to go:
My resons not to go:
-Samantha to go...
or not to go...
this is harder than i thought. -moth i wasn't planning on going this year, just cause.. i was going to do other things. and i'm still going to do other things. but i was talking to naomi and jasmine about camp a few days ago, and i was getting some awfully irresistable urges, and...well, i don't know. i want to go so freaking bad, because camp rocks, no matter what else i'm doing. i want to go to session two as a junior staff person. if i can't go as junior staff, i still might go. it sort of depends on college and job schedules. or actually it depends on how willing i am to miss at least a week of each.. but it's probably worth it, really. i am still very undecided. -courtney I'm really, really undecided about this. The money problem is okay now. I have a job that pays pretty well... I can make the money for camp in about a month or less. The thing is, would it be worth it to pay all that money (even if I can make it faster) and then go to camp and have a horrible time? ...okay, I didn't have a horrible time last year, but it wasn't the best time either. I was so out of it. Same thing with the unschooler's weekend in January. This keeps happening; I'll pay all this money to see unschoolers and then find that they all know each other and don't notice me at all. At least, that's what happened at the weekend. Is camp different? When I think about the good things about camp, it all seems so worth it. The friends I made there are wonderful, and the atmosphere is not nearly as cliquish as other places I've been. And I want to have a second chance. I want to go and give something back to camp, maybe be a peer advisor or something? I want to make people feel included and loved. There are so many things I didn't do at camp last year that I would love to do this year. Maybe I would read my poetry in the talent show. On the other hand, would anyone miss me if I didn't go to camp this year? That feels like such a selfish thing to ask, but a lot of this DOES depend on whether anyone cares whether I'm there or not. Of course, if no one remembered me and I went this year, it would be just like the first year. But no year could be like the first year. What if I totally don't fit in anymore? Is there such a thing as fitting in? Maybe there is. I know it's a lot easier to have a good time at camp if you're a glittery, bright, bouncy person... and I'm not too good at that. I'm scared camp this year will be like last year.... ...but I think I may regret not taking the chance. There's so much I would miss out on. Or, let's analyze this another way. Pros and cons. Pros:
Cons:
Oh god, I don't know. I'm so fucking indecisive about this. ~Eire
I'm terribly undecided about camp. On the one hand there is nothing I would rather do than go to NBTSC this summer, and meet all the people I've been getting to know these past few months... But it is $460.00, and for me, that's a LOT of money. I do have a job, but I'm trying to save money for a car, and if I spend the money on camp & theory, it'll set me back at least 2 months (maybe more) for buying my car, which is something I desperately need. Reasons for going
Reasons for not going
Okay, so thats my list as of july 1st. I just got put on the waiting list, and will have to decided if I'm going or not, when and if a space opens up for me... I'd luv to hear any & all advice!! ~Jadzia NBTSWikiWiki | Recent Changes Edited 26 times, last edited on July 1, 2001 by jadzia@nbtsc.org. © 2000 NBTSC Webmasters |
