Hey, it just came into my head today that there's really nowhere on wiki (that I remember anyway) exclusively for females to bond like we do in women's group at camp, and to discuss the wide array of topics that come up there. I thought it would be really nice to see if we could try to bring back a bit of that bonding and sharing here on wiki. Ideas for stuff that we might want to talk about: being a woman in this culture, shaving, pubic hair, periods, our vaginas, the book Cunt, masturbation, body image, relating to other women and how that often changes if a male comes on the scene, abuse, sex, dreams, healing, rage, wisdom and anything and everything else that we feel like talking about. Peace. ~Becky~ (forgot to sign my name earlier!)
Heya girls! I'm not sure how much y'all may know about this, seeing the sizable faction of us who keep the hair on our legs, but
I might try doing this again this Summer cause my hair grows FAST and shaving is too time consuming sometimes. And I shave/wax my legs because I like to have them all smooth when wearing skirts/shorts. It's just my personal choice, I don't really care wether or not my friends/sisters do or don't. Robin One of the things I love about the women's group at camp, and really talking in groups of women anywhere, is how the conversation flows. I've had lots of wonderful discussions with lots of different kinds of people, but with a group of women... I don't know, it's different. Everyone goes "Mmm, I know!" at appropriate moments, and you can count on random hugs and giggles. People raise their hands, or don't, or say "Were you talking? No, go ahead. No, please." Not that that doesn't happen in mixed gender groups, but... people seem to be more concious of it in the women's group. It wasn't what we talked about that I enjoyed so much (although that was part of it, of course, just hearing how other women react to things that we usually do not talk about) so much as the way we talked. I don't know how that'll work on wiki, but seems like a good thing to try for. *smiles* That's what I liked about it too Marina. I only went to one or two of the meetings but I really felt like part of the group even though I didn't know everyone very well. I liked that. Feeling very accepted. I mean, I always feel accepted at camp but this was different. i also felt a lot more comfortable talking about just anything and i liked it when people would cry. That might sound aweful but I felt like it pulled the group together. Great idea whoever had it Franny I always felt sort of weird about the women's groups at camp. I think it is because I don't feel much different from males than I do females. But there are certain things that most females have to deal with that I can really relate to. Mostly body image things. I don't shave my legs, and a lot of people I know or have talked to (people who go/have gone to school, mostly) think it's weird or gross or unatractive or they're just uncomfortable with it. But I also know some people who really support it, even some people who have grown up with the mindset that people usually get in social groups like schools. It is hard to get over feeling self concious about things about you that a person you're with thinks is strange or gross. The best things is to have a sense of humour about it, I think. And to be able to not take things so personally. And to radiate a sort of open-mindedness so that it might spread. - erin I didn't go to women's group. The funny thing is I can't remember, no matter how hard I try, I can't remember what I did instead of women's group...it's really weird... See, I did go to women's group. Once. And that's one of my camp regrets right there - not haven gone more oft. It was a really comfy enviroment, I felt totally safe talking about whatev, whenev and so forth....damn. Good times. Let's not let this page slip off the wiki eh? I think it'd be great to have an online forum for us chicks to chat all things girly up. ~gabrielle Camp Women's Group was fabulous for me. I mean, camp in itself is fabulous enough, but to just have specific time to chill with camp females and bond about gender issues was such a great time. So I have some things I'd really like to see discussed on here. #1 is how women often act differently around men as compared to around women, and why that is and if it's something you think occurs naturally, or because of our culture, or what, and how to get around the awkwardness that often stems from that. As a general rule, I get along with women much better than men, as to say that I feel more comfortable around them and I can usually relate better. However, sometimes I think that I feel this way just because I've never really had a chance to bond with guys. Or that bonding with guys always seems to have sooo much unspoken sexual tension and/or complications that it's just too confusing. I hate to say this, but sometimes I feel as though I see guys as "the other." I feel like all men are MEN unless proven otherwise (ie: people). I HATE this about myself, but it really does seem that men and women relate to the opposite sex in an entirely different (and sometimes I think uncomfortable and unnatural) way than they do to their same sex. Whew. So what do you think? The other thing I wanted to discuss was female rage and how it's so hard sometimes to show anger if you're a woman. At least I've found that personally. So yeah. Thoughts? Comments? Wisdom? ~Becky~ i have an issue that just came up about 5 minutes ago, and i was looking for somewhere to get pearls of wisdom..and this was the best place i could think of. all love seems to equal lately is disease. i went from knowing nobody who had an std to 2, in about a month. friends who have casual sex, and can't deal with the pyschological impacts of that. and i'm feeling shaky and vulnerable. i'm ready to go live in a small globe house wrapped completely in bubble wrap, and never let anybody in. relationships seem to be so much more detrimental; both physical and physchologically, then beneficial. with so many risks, how do we let ourselves be touched? how could i ever let anybody love me, when it could cause death? as someone who is normally very susceptible to "love" i am feeling so very shaken. anybody have anything to lean against? * * * * In response to what RoyaBoya said above.... I'm not sure if I understood your post or not, but here's my thoughts on what I thought you were talking about.... Once, I was asked by someone what the most dangerous thing I've ever done was, and the first answer that came to my mind was having sex. Having sex is dangerous, because it can lead to stds or pregnancy, both of which I was terrified of. People need to believe themselves to be important enough that they do what is necessary to protect themselves. But not so afraid as to never relate to others.... there has to be a middle ground, doesn't there? I think... I think the middle grounds are found when one remembers what is wonderful about oneself. When a person is in touch with their interests and passions, (and hopefully more than just one interest) they're less likely to be extreme either way... to careless or to overly-protective and fearful. As for the psychological aspects of relationships.... I am convinced that there can be ways of being in love, and in a relationship (however casual or committed) that is different from the experience of being abused. And I'm using the term abuse in the most general of ways right now... I'm using it to refer to anything that causes pain, limitation, decreased self-confidence, etc. There are relationships that are not abusive or damaging. But I think people have to be... really able to be responsible for themselves first... able to recognize when things start to become damaging and work to change things befor they get really damaging. Anyway, I really don't know what I'm talking about. I'm just... talking, sharing thoughts... hope to hear from any of you. - Christy There were times when I was younger, my family was horrible at actually considering the possibility that anything was wrong. When I was grumpy, upset or angry at anything, I was told to go to sleep I must be tired as though people who got enough sleep were never unhappy or upset with anything. Two years before my first period my family had already started making comments referencing to pms whenever I was upset by anything. Now, looking back... I'm ticked off at my family for assuming that anytime I'm upset its because I'm a woman and that of course I couldn't help being upset, I'm a woman. I'm ticked off for them teaching me that I can't help my emotions, they're all hormonal anyway, but that at the same time, they'd teach me to hate myself for being upset... that as a woman I'm supposed to somehow always be helpful, caring, perfect, loving, patient... never upset or grouchy. We have a word bitchy for a woman who is upset. Is there an equivalent word for men? Or is the same type of behavior okay for men? Why is there that voice in the back of my head that says that obviously bitchy behavior is okay for men, because obviously they'd only be bitchy if they were driven to it by not having that wonderfully supportive woman there to keep them from it? Blah. - Christy
Body hair and the way people react to it (or react to the lack of it) interests me, somehow. It seems to be a discussion topic that women, at least the women I know personally, go back to over and over, with various emotional and idealogical issues. I actually like my body hair a lot. I like the soft, curly tufts under my arms and the furry, disorganized hair on my legs, and the fact that my pubic hair forms ringlets (which strikes me as being kind of funny). Somehow my body hair has become a part of me, like menstruation and art and being 17 is a part of me, and I don't see all that much that's desirable in getting rid of it. Wasn't always true. The first time I noticed that I even had body hair, I was twelve or 13, and I panicked and shaved everything for about six months. ("Ohmigod! Someone's going to notice I'm not a baby anymore! AHHHH!" Like it was a secret or something.) Pubic hair, underarm hair, leg hair. . . and the funny the was that I barely even had any. But somehow the connotations were threatening enough that I had to get rid of it. I tried shaving my legs again last year, but it felt like I was a caterpillar without feelers or fuzzies, and I hated every minute of it. The shaving part itself wasn't so bad, kind of interesting, but then afterwards I had to live with numbish, cold, hairless legs, so I decided it wasn't worth it. In the 1700s, in England anyway, it was very fashionable to be hairy. A woman with luxurious dark armpit hair and thick eyebrows was highly sought after, especially if she was plump and had good ankles. Women with none of these attributes bought false eyebrows and wore long skirts to disguise their ankles. It is interesting how fashions change, is it not?
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I am looking into waxing my legs, and I want to know if anybody has any tips or warnings. I especially want to know if you've waxed it, how long does your stubble have to get before you're able to wax it again? Does your hair grow back darker, crooked or otherwise funky? I want to have hairless legs this summer but I can't stand shaving cuz my legs always get dry and rashy and it takes so damn long. So I would appreciate any input y'all may have. Thank you! 
