I want to talk more about getting campers, former campers, honorary campers, siblings of campers, etc, to be able to see one another for more than one expencive vacation style week a year. I know we've descussed a AircraftCarrier, and a few other things, but common', seriously, we're all po' slackers so far, or just too young to be endowed with a bazillion dollars. So. Think people. How can we get together, where can we get together, and how can we make it stay put?[0] I don't think an "intentional community" off in the woods away from "evil" society would work for us. We've got too many artists, performers, computer geeks, teachers, writers, etc, and way way too few farmers. Hell, how many of you even garden?
I don't know if I agree entirely with the stuff Quinn has to say about tribes, communes, etc, but I agree with this; if we just try to run away together, it's not likely to last long. Here's an idea I had: A co-op appartment building. I actually live in a co-op appartment building, and have for like 10 years... it's nice... but it would be so much nicer if the people were here for some reason besides cheep rent. (okay, a few are, but...) so yeah, I think it would be fabulous if we just started taking over a nice apartment building somewhere in a nice city, and once we had all the appartments, find a way to buy the building, and start a co-op apartment complex.
okay... I'll stop drooling over my own ideas now... but what do you guys think? I'm trying to do some serious brainstorming here. I wanna live near you guys, you'all say the same thing. How we gonna make it happen? how are we going to pay for it? who wants to take charge and find a town, that has good jobs avalible, afordable houseing, and is a nice enough place that people would want to stay a while, and there seem to be more then enough people interested, that we could have alot of places like this. dude, let's do it!! but not wisconsin. why not somewhere pretty in upstate ny, so people could commute to the city if they wanted to?
what i have to say is HELL YEAH!!! :) Biko (a cook 1st and 2nd session) lives on a commune type place with about 10 other adults i think. he did a workshop on it at camp. i think that kind of thing would be perfect... but we do want more than 10 people there. or i do at least. the co-op apartment sounds good. i'd like to see how Grace's dream house goes this fall and winter. that sounds like a very good idea. i definitely agree about the community thing... like a gigantic continual barn raising. we all have so many awesome talents! i was thinking about starting a music producing company just so i could get all the terrific musicians i know to do stuff. :) well, whatever happens, count me in! -marina Based on my experiences at camp, I have started thinking that small communities decently close together would work better than one large community. Small, I think, would be less than twenty people in one place. It would make it easier for people to have their own space and lead their own lives, as well as to be noticed and apprieciated in the community itself rather than just being another person in the crowd. For example, lets say groups of us had three or four communities in different places in Wisconsin.... I think that would work better than having a cob castle with 60 of us in one place. Your thoughts? -wanderlust Quo Vadis is here:http://www.quovadis-gathering.org [0]Alright, I just realized there's like 7 pages on wiki relating to this...
It seems that ppl are living or planning to live together already . Theres the Unschooler house in portland OR and I read on Wiki that Jesse and Scott were thinking of a house in Mexcio.I know some ppl are planning to have a house in Maine in a couple years. We are already moving together. It' just starting small.The co-op idea
sounds good cause it would give people room to have thier own spaces but
still be near others.
-Corey
I've been thinking this over for a couple of years. I'd like to have a place in Austin Tx, (where I currently live).. I also like New York, Oregon and California..... but as much as I am dying to spend more time in Oregon and New York(City),(I don't know anything about the rest of NY) winters do not seem appealing. I would like to be near a big city-near enough to go there all the time-everyday. To have everything available and close at hand. Here are some of the pros and cons of austin:
Pros:
-*Not overly large. Definately not the size of Dallas, LA or New York Cons: *downtown has a lot of changes going on they've recently taken out some old businesses/music venues to make room for offices/clothing stores/lofts. I HATE that, and hope that it won't go too far. There is a lot of community/public space/city planning going on right now and if anyone wanted to, there is probably the opportunity to get in on it. *Several new subdivisions. I hate that. *it gets hot is not an excuse. -*but there are no mountains. just foothills. :)(and they are breathtaking.) I am far from describing Austin completely, but I know once you get here you're all going to have a bumper sticker that says "I wasn't born in Austin, but I got here as fast as I could!"...... haha.. I really like the ideas above for possible homes. I also like the idea of cob castle, and all the great ideas everyone has. Something like that seems so impossible though, I mean it could be possible if we were to build it ourselves-that would cut down the costs so significantly and we would need to buy some land or something to build on. As much land as possible. :) so, how to get together the funds for this kind of thing? The thing is though, I am sure there will be several of these places- people are going to want to live in one area or another depending on what they like to do and what type of environment they want. I hope there won't be too MANY, but a few or several would be nice, which would make it possible for us all to easily visit wherever the other ones were. I like the co-op apartment idea, but I also noticed where Zaria posted someplace that a church would be ideal, with a large open space, several smaller rooms, a kitchen, a couple of bathrooms..I don't know if it would be big enough (but it could be temporary, or for a smaller group) I think I'd like to live with or near a larger group. So for what I am looking for, it would need to be a large place, with at least one large group space, and other more private spaces, rooms for projects, darkrooms, art studios, etcetc. People could set these things up in their own seperate rooms, or room with people who want to set them up in a shared room, but still, the best idea sounds like having seperate rooms for these things. Most likely there will not be enough rooms for *everything*, but some rooms can be shared and somehow we utilize our camp space so well so it might not be such a problem. Rooms can be switched out to different things as needed and it will be decided in a family meeting, which will have to be had regularly I suppose to keep things running smoothly. Although I don't like the idea of too *much* time being spent in meetings...... at camp we have morning and evening mandatory meetings and it is nice to spend time/eat with everyone and then sing, add thoughts for the day, go over schedules... but living together I don't know how well it would work, because some people might not want to, and won't. Maybe that will be a determining factor on who lives there and who doesn't. (Needing to be devoted to keeping things running well and setting aside *some* kind of definate time to making it work) Somewhere along the line there has to be some kind of deciding factors for who lives there or the whole thing might go down the drain. I have to go for now this is all reeling my mind ..;)too many ideas at once. but more later. Theresa
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