| Thats Not Me Damnit |
This is the counterpart to AllSoRad.
Nick and I had this great conversation on IRC this morning....all about camp society and labels and boxes. It seems to us that people in this community get these very pretty boxes and that once you're in them you have to behave pretty consistantly within them. Also that our community has it's gender stereotypes and codes of behavior just like the rest of the world...you can see the conversation here.
So, our idea is this. We are going to post our stereotype. Then we are going to tell you about the real us. Please feel free to join us.
-Robyn
(lets get alphabetical!, ninja style!)
Great idea Robyn and Nick, thanks a lot. I think stereotyping is the one thing that everyone does in some form, in a sense of "organizing" our mind and the people we know, and then we fill in the gaps of someones character which we do not know, and that just leads to problems...  Mike
Robyn, this is a great idea. It made me think. A lot. Thank you. -wanderlust the urban pixie
This is far and away one of the best wiki pages yet. Certainly in the top five. Very powerful to read what people think their stereotypes are and what they think about them and what they think in general. - Emma
Thank you guys for saying that. I really appreciate it. I would however like to point out that Nick had just as much a hand in it as I did and that while I actually wrote the thing he deserves some credit, too.
So, thank you Nick. I've had these thoughts for a long time but I might
never have written them here if you hadn't helped. -Robyn
yes, definitely a superb idea for a page... i put some of my thoughts on the whole subject on my page too. also, my dad sez "Don't forget to consider the boxes you put yourselves into as well." -marina
<Ananda> 'Allo.
--- Platypus gives channel operator status to Ananda
<Platypus> 'eya
<Ananda> Thanks.
<Ananda> Especially Rick has been pulling a holier-than-thou routine which is making me mad and nuts...
- Enigma Hey, I got a social disease!
- Platypus nods.. forgiveness out of ~habit doesn't mean quite as much as waiting to genuinely come to terms with people..
<Ananda> No, and I'd argue that if you're 'forgiving' people just so that people will like you then you have a problem, too...
- Platypus nods... sighs, still in mild denial over the discovery that unschoolers ain't perfect
- Ananda grins...yeah, shocking, isn't it?
<Ananda> Actually, I'll be frank, this is the one problme that I really have with Rick, that he changes just too darn easily...
- Platypus nods... ponders.. I've wondered about that with Rick.. with myself too... it's so easy to fall into this neatly packaged self-dfinitions.. once you say "change never bothers me!" or "I don't get angry!" or "I'm a diplomat".. especially when people seem to look up to you for those things..
<Platypus> you shouldn't have to base all your actions on consistency with some character you play..
- Ananda has been trying to get this point across all year and hasn't suceeded
<Ananda> This is why I don't dig the AllSoRad pages.
- Platypus nods.. thought as far as all so rad, I agree with.. was it Marina who said it first? that on wiki, at least people only add to your page when they genuinely mean it.. no hollow compliments..
<Platypus> s/thought/though/ (wow my keyboard is misbehaving this morning..)
- Platypus nods.. the storys thing is really cool
<Ananda> Things that tell people we love them without boxing them in.
- Ananda has completly lost track of her report, heh * Platypus smirks a little
<Ananda> Oh well, it'll wait... <Ananda> Yeah, I bet some people actually use it as a tool to determine who people are, especially people who haven't gone to camp yet...
- Platypus should be putting together a resume right now.. heh..
<Ananda> (AllSoRad, I mean)
<Ananda> 'Kay, I'm a happy bouncy untroubled freespritied kid-yet wise person who lives by her own standards and nobody else's.
- Platypus could probably reconstruct his from scratch.. heh, I know my character well..
<Ananda> Me too.
- Platypus laughs a little.. all the joking about "soap operas" hits a little too close to home when you start to think how much we script eachother..
- Ananda noddles....yeah, exactly, and what the hell do you do when you get a box you don't like, or nobody else likes...
- Platypus nods full agreement.. tried to change his box a little this last year, and ended up with something no one really seems to like, especially himself
<Ananda> I think I'm finally out of my box, but the trouble is that now people are having a hard time with me...
<Ananda> So we're stuck.
* Enigma giggles
<Platypus> hmm.. I imagine partly people are waiting to peg down a new set of consistencies for you..
- Platypus nods.. odd how such an "open minded" bunch reacts to real/serious change..
<Platypus> mm.. *sigh*.. better, of course, would be to give up having a box..
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- Platypus had a plan for a big egocentric web site once.. self-therapy, as most personal sites are.. a big map of all the little chunks of nick, with a cross-index of how they compliment/contradict eachother.. I was gonna ask people who know me well to check it out and see what parts surprised them
<Ananda> I always think of Ian, standing there in a dead sweat, eating damnit more garlic than Rory...
--- Platypus gives channel operator status to kingpimp
<Ananda> We can eat aprmesan cheese with ours and yooou can't!
<Platypus> if society expects you to behave a certain way in a certain circumstance, well, always do the opposite
- Platypus recalls max ranting about identity one day... "I resent the expectation that I should behave at all in a consistent manner!"
--- Ananda has changed the topic to: The dark side of NBTSC society
<Ananda> Yeah, and he's right, too...
<Ananda> Damn, we're good...
- Ananda wonders if she should maybe write a rant on wiki...
<Ananda> Hah, and wouldn't that do wonders for my box!
- Platypus wonders what you could do to your allsorad page to expand/burst your box..
<Ananda> And my image.
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<Ananda> Hey, Shad.
- Platypus has been meaning to take "teddy bear" off his MetaphoreWhores thing.. I mean, I'm glad if people like to hug me, but it seems like I (and maybe zen?) always get some teddy bear comment.. it's so surfacey..
<quasiergic> g'morning
--- Platypus gives channel operator status to quasiergic
<Platypus> mm.. good point..
- Platypus probably does about 50/50 self-deprecation and box-resistence
<Ananda> Oh, wow. Look at all this stuff.
- quasiergic sits in his box and nods
--- quasiergic is now known as Polyergic
- Platypus wonders randomly how hard it would be to program believable IRC bots to replace people, based on all the assumptions available on wiki
<Ananda> Oh, shit, that's a neat idea.
- Platypus laughs.. a plattybot would be sooo easy.. sit quietly 99% of the time.. look for opening for vaguely intelligent or sarcastic remark..
<Ananda> Meaning that they only like the idea of you, maybe?
- Ananda laughs, yeah, that would be it, Nick...
<Polyergic> heh
< kingpimp has quit (Quit: Jump around yo!)
<Ananda> Oh, heck, give him the log...
<Ananda> Man, Nick, it would be soooo cool if you could do that.
- Platypus wonders if a ThatsNotMeDamnit page on wiki would do any good, or just perpetuate boxes.. invite people to put up their official character, along with all the ways that's not who they really are/want to be
<Ananda> Hmmm.
- Polyergic is reading that log..
<Ananda> At any rate it would raise people's awareness of this culture's ability to box...
- Platypus laughs a little.. convenient how camp people boxes all include some room for sudden revelations, so we can shake eachother up without really shaking eachother up
- Platypus nods
<Ananda> Yeah, that way our box includes the idea that people can change but that they don't really..
- Platypus remembers reanna starting a game at new years.. going around saying something in the form "you think I'm ______, but I'm really ______"
<Ananda> Hah, or we could just post this here log...
- Platypus nods.. post the log on the page as explanation?
<Ananda> Hah, you read my mind...
- Platypus smiles.. I'm glad I'm getting to know you outside yours too
<Polyergic> I've read that peopel think in catagories (or classes) .. which is how we recognize any of thousands of different kinds of chairs, even if we've never seen them before, etc, etc// it makes sense that we woudl do that same thing to people
* Enigma chuckles
<Polyergic> .. I don't feel like I know someone at all if all I knwo is their box..
* Enigma laughs at Polyergic
<Platypus> Shad: on-line, you're stereotype for a long time was coming in the room and sighing.. at camp, I think you were the guy who swung from the chain in the talent show.. *shrug*
- Polyergic looks at his fingers & at hsi keyboard and tired to figure out where all the typos are coming from..
<Polyergic> his, tries, ...
- Polyergic thinks he's pretty consistent.. maybe even too much so
<Platypus> I don't know.. I think you should be able to trust someone without expecting them to always act a certain way.. of course, it's fair to expect them not to kill you or something, but I think that's a different converstaion from boxes..
* Enigma thinks about food.
<Polyergic> "boxing" I guess it stifling changes at & near the surface.. and that causes problems
- Polyergic has done that ):
<Ananda> So these boxes keep you stagnant.
<Polyergic> I'll never forget.. taking an acting class, and being upset because a friend of mine was in it, and i felt compelled to act the way I thought he expected me to
- Ananda cracks her knuckles, ready to start typing up her little sterotype
- Platypus grins a little at shad's story.. yeah.. we're all in boxes, so hopefully, on some level we'd all like to get out..
<Polyergic> and then there are the people you get ~close to, and then dont' see for 4 years, and then when you meet again it's like 4 years hasn't gone by
<Polyergic> the problem is when you let the box/steriotype affect rerality, rathetr than the other way around
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<Polyergic> g/morning
--- moth-napping is now known as moth
<Platypus> but if they were ever true to begin with, they don't stay that way for long.. and then you get stuck
- Platypus gives channel operator status to moth
<Platypus> g'morning
- Polyergic got home at 4am.. and woke up, much to his dismay, around 10
<moth> heh
- Platypus went to bed at 8pm.. but "bed" is currently a couch 1.5 feet shorter than me, so I didn't get a whole lot of quality sleep ;)
<Polyergic> (no, radical honesty is about letting peopel see right to the core.. ungh..)
- moth looks at the topic and wonders if she missed out on an interesting conversation
<Polyergic> ah well.. it's better than a chair in the lodge and no sleeping bag
* Enigma thinks about sleep.
<Ananda> No, it's still happening!
- Platypus nods.. honesty is good.. honesty with rules so that you never have to think about consequences.. ugh..
<Polyergic> (I think that's what it wants to be, or somethign close.. but if the people doing it don't really understand it doesn't work.. and then it turns into somethign else)
- Platypus held that against taber a little.. got to know him better last session, and is glad for it
- Polyergic blinks, suddenly remembering that it isn't just moth who just arrived, but his future bride as well..
- Ananda too
- Polyergic pauses in puzzlement for a moment, wondering howd' that happen anyway..
<Ananda> Hey, help me think of my stereotype again, okay?
- Platypus laughs.. despite all the suckiness surrounding it, not quite knowing what your box should be is kind of nice...
- Ananda laughs
<Ananda> Oh, yeah!
- Ananda is having fun writing this
<Ananda> Shit, though, this is scary.
- Platypus starts to write his
<Polyergic> weel.. since this has died down.. I'm gonna go start my day..
- Polyergic waves
- Ananda waves
<Ananda> Nice talking to you, Shad.
--- Polyergic is now known as quasiergic
- Ananda writes furiously on this page
- Platypus waves to Shad
- moth is posting on IHadADream... bye shad, dear!
<Ananda> I think I'm done.
- Platypus does
- moth does
- Ananda feels exhilerated and scared both
- Ananda notices that nobody else has been posting this morning...interesting, no?
- Platypus is writing his now
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- Platypus has a book full of this particular rant.. I'm trying to keep it to a few paragraphs ;)
<Ananda> Ditto.
- Ananda has to go and write her paper now...she will see the wiki schtuff later..
- Ananda waves
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